Idea to maybe motivate teams to win more

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Idea to maybe motivate teams to win more

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This past season there was some chatter and lots of frustration about tanking/quitting after losing out early in playoffs, etc. I have an idea to POSSIBLY ALLEVIATE that BUT NOT ENTIRELY. Hear me out:


FAAB/FAB (Free Agent Acquisition Budget/Free Agent Budget):
FAAB isn't a new concept in fantasy sports. You might've already heard of it or even used it. Yahoo defines it as: "each manager receives a dollar amount to place blind bids on waived players. The manager with the highest bid at the end of the waiver period claims that player and that bid amount is deducted from the team's acquisition budget. If multiple managers place an equal bid on a player, tiebreak would be waiver order."

First of all we wouldn't EXACTLY use it like how it is actually used as described above, given our unique league. But the idea would be similar, just with modifications suited to our league.

Essentially, we would all start off with say $100 FAAB/FAB.

Teams use this for:
1. Free Agent pickups in the offseason only...regular season would be exactly how we do now (no need to place a bid) due to immediate use of free agent on team same day. However, offseason free agent pickups would therefore require a 1 day "waiting period" (that could be agreed upon everyone i.e. 9am Eastern to 11pm Eastern) to allow for other teams to place a bid on said free agent. I feel like this waiting period would be okay given everyone is less active in the offseason.

2. During the season bids would only be made for waiver pickups as there is the already implemented 48 hour period, which would allow other teams to bid on the player. One advantage of this would be that GMs no longer have to play the mind games where a GM with a low waiver order position has to post minutes before the 48 hour period to prevent other GMs from posting after them. As well, as many are at work and don't have the luxury to do that, it would even the playing field a bit in that regard. For this to happen however, teams would not be allowed to change their posted bid amount once posted. If there are any ties, player goes to the higher waiver order like before.

In general how this works when bidding is quite simple:
1. Offseason FA pickups:
-As an example the VegasGM goes to right forum page and posts something like:

Andrei Kuzmenko Bid $50 (of course every post has a time stamp so we will know if it was made within the 24 hour window)

-JetsGM thinks $50 is too rich for Kuzmenko and doesn't place bid

-an hour later, CancuksGM who is rich in FAAB posts:

Andrei Kuzmenko Bid $80 (Steve outbid me and I can't make another bid because I already bid but maybe $50 the most I'd be willing to bid on Kuzmenko)

And then at the end of the 24 hour/48hour/1-day period, Steve announces the Canucks won Kuzemenko.

Same thing would happen for IN-SEASON waiver claims. Ultimately, teams wouldn't have to worry about posting too early or as close as possible to the end of the 24/48 hour window (although you still could if you want to be extra careful lol) because the GM decides themselves how much they are willing to spend. Plus we could make fun of each other for paying excessive FAAB when a player doesn't produce :D .

"Can we trade FAAB"
I would vote against being able to trade FAAB because it would be too much work trying to argue and justify a FAAB amount traded for a certain player.

"Okay...so how does this help motivate against tanking/playoffs, etc.???"

The biggest feature would be that FAAB DOES NOT reset year-to-year...
Instead, depending on your finish in the standings, you get a certain "Prize Faab" amount. So the only way to get more FAAB would be to win more. Obviously, everyone would have to agree on the tiers but for instance something like:

1st 1000
2nd 850
3rd 700
_______
4th 500
5th 400
6th 300
7th 200
8th 100
_______
For non-playoff teams, yes you have a higher draft pick and a chance at #1 but the drop-off would ideally be severe to motivate against tanking...and if you are low on FAAB gotta try and make playoffs!
9th 35
10th 30
11th 25
12th 20
13th 15
14th 10
15th 5
16th 0

Maybe the 16th place team loses the lottery AND gets $0 FAAB...lol
Of course, playoff teams that lose out in the first round would have to play on still instead of abandon lineups and hopefully be motivated for extra FAAB.

Miscellaneous:
  • we could make FAAB valuable by making it a rule that teams must place a minimum bid of say $5...if you have 0 or run out of FAAB well your fault! Can't make any claims until next season then! so Spend wisely!
  • Could customize things so teams must bid in multiples of say $5 so FAAB is used up quicker than bids of multiples of 1 lol
  • If you even want to incentivize winning even more, you could have weekly awarded FAAB for winning a matchup i.e. winner of the weekly matchup gets this many FAAB depending on how many more categories were won, loser gets 0 and a tie results in teams getting nothing (again this would be customizable)



****As a nice bonus, I've tested it out on Yahoo in the past and I know which settings Steve needs to use for FAAB for the tally to show up on the standings page for each team on the website and phone apps. Steve can keep tally both on the forums and on Yahoo and update it on Yahoo as well throughout the season. Yahoo will allow up to $999,999,999 FAAB for each team lol

If you keep winning championships you will be rich and can get any free agent you want like the Yankees haha

Anyways would like to know your thoughts? Any loopholes? We can discuss and debate. If we are all okay with this maybe we can start using it this offseason.
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Screenshots of how this looks in Yahoo:
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this is meant to illustrate the settings for FAAB on Yahoo won't change the way we add players throughout the season
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Just enforce the existing rules.
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I have to agree with Kraken, more rules to add for league to enforce. If we stick to enforcing the rules that are already set there should be no reason to purposely tank or just straight up stop participating after your playoff lost. In my opinion many of the IR rules were broken directly and/or indirectly due to inactivity numerous times during the playoffs and I don't think any penalties will be carried over into this season which does not help the issue at hand.
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PenguinsGM wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:52 am I have to agree with Kraken, more rules to add for league to enforce. If we stick to enforcing the rules that are already set there should be no reason to purposely tank or just straight up stop participating after your playoff lost. In my opinion many of the IR rules were broken directly and/or indirectly due to inactivity numerous times during the playoffs and I don't think any penalties will be carried over into this season which does not help the issue at hand.
The thing with the playoffs/inactivity is that the consolation round has no effect on team seeding for the draft.. so in that case, there's no intentional tanking possible once eliminated. But just for the sale of being competitive until the end, I would of course encourage everyone to be fully active until the season is complete.
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steve-canucksgm wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:14 pm
The thing with the playoffs/inactivity is that the consolation round has no effect on team seeding for the draft.. so in that case, there's no intentional tanking possible once eliminated. But just for the sale of being competitive until the end, I would of course encourage everyone to be fully active until the season is complete.
I agree 100% with you on that Steve - no effect on seeding therefore no intentional tanking.

However, it does effect player/roster movement especially in this league that is so tight on quality players being available. From my understanding of the rules, playoff teams are required to comply with the cap and IR rules at all times (whether in contention or consolation). What I think is being overlooked here is there is potential to have an active waiver wire during the playoffs through playoff teams having to maintain their roster and IR. In turn players become potentially available via waivers to teams that are not in the playoffs or are rebuilding. This keeps every GM accountable for their team and promotes league activity throughout the entire season.

In my opinion then if the league feels that teams involved in consolation rounds do not need to maintain their rosters and the results of the consolation round has no effect on anything then why even have a consolation round? If the league decides to continue with consolation rounds then I think rosters have to be in good standing at all times - it promotes GM activity, accountability to the playoffs teams and does the same for inactive playoff teams to take a look at the waiver wire throughout the playoffs - perhaps only allowing non playoff teams to claim waived players during the playoffs could be an incentive?
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Re: Idea to maybe motivate teams to win more

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Very well said, Pitt.
It echoes the general sentiment I have been touting for a while now, albeit you’ve stated it more succinctly and without emotion, which I fail to do at times haha

I have faith that we as a collective group can come to a better understanding of these issues and work to resolve them without more rules / enforcement. The league has enough to do without babysitting us.

Let’s keep up this constructive conversation and I’m sure we can all find a resolution that works towards bettering this awesome pool!

I hope everyone is having a fun and safe summer.

And cheers to a wild NHL Free Agent Signing Frenzy tomorrow!
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Re: Idea to maybe motivate teams to win more

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What about regular season?

Some GMs complained to me (you know who you are lol) that teams who could’ve made the playoffs (were within a few points of 8th place) stopped trying weeks before the season ended. I guess there’s that to consider and not just playoffs. In the end it was only Pittsburgh that was trying to make the last spot lol when 2-3 other teams could’ve made it if they tried this past season.

I kinda think it’s hard to enforce the rules consistently for Steve (he does a great job though), given some people are busy working, family life, etc. so sometimes a warning is all he can do to be consistent.

I would say the proposal keeps thing more objective. Yes it’s a few more things to keep track of but it’s just some basic math haha.

Anyways it’ll be interesting to see how everyone tries not to “tank” this upcoming season with Bedard the prize…
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