2018 Off-season discussion

[LeafsGM]

Well put Dallas.

I will add though that PIMs in our league fit into the "balance" because it's such a deep league.

We have those players to fill out our rosters that don't accumulate a lot of points, but contribute value with hits, SHP, and PIMs.

[RangersGM]

Short handed points add value to guys who don't see PP time, also helps out with adding value to 3rd line filler guys who are the ones who usually dont see the PP time, yes its a low volume category but it also means you have to balance your team more. A deep league like ours needs that balance, or else superstar players have WAY too much value. If it were only a 6 team league sure, but in a league as expansive as ours, we need some balance.

I do agree with the PIMS tho. I'm seeing less and less value in this category as the league does away with enforcers. Its just a hindrance to the team now.

And +/- is just a laughable stat, its more of a team your on stat than an individual stat anyways.

I totally agree that it is good to have more players being important but the fact that it is such a low-volume stat makes it so problematic. Do you really want a championship H2H battle decided by a random SHP? I don't think that's very fair to have a very random event decide the champion.

In regards to +/-, it is hardly a laughable stat. Yes, it is a bit more of a team stat but there are plenty of players on good teams that did not have a good +/- (such as Crosby, Kessel, Ovechkin, etc). On the other hand, McDavid was +20 on a crappy Edmonton team. So I think it is worth a discussion. I just think it might be a better stat than PIMs or SHP.

[StarsGM]

We use to have +/- as a stat and it was voted out in favour of another stat. It wasn't even a close vote either as I recall. I say its a laughable stat because you're at the mercy of 5 other players on the ice. You could do everything right and the goal against could be someone else's fault and you're dinged for it... You could be unlucky and it happens over and over again while you're on the ice. I honestly think the NHL and other leagues should get rid of it as well, and go tomore of an At fault goal situation, if they want to track something like that. If the goal was directly that players fault, they get dinged for it. Just because you're on the ice for more goals against than for doesn't mean its your fault, same goes the other way, just because you're on the ice for more goals for than against, doesn't mean you fully contributed to them either. Hence why its more of a team stat. Sure there at outliers, but in general, not so much.

As for SHP, If it came to 1 SHP vs 0 determining the championship, I'd be ok with that, even if I lost. SHP are a rare stat, just like shutouts. They're valueable because its a point in a situation where you weren't expected to get any. If we got rid of SHP then we'd have to get rid of PPP in my opinion as well, because why would it be fair to double dip with PPP but not SHP?

[ColumbusGM]

What about something like the differential between Takeaways and Giveaways? Or Points/min? Or even strenght points? That would keep the value of deeper players intact.

I dont know if it is possible to have those on Yahoo, but I'm not a fan of the SHP stats. The leaders have around 5 pts/year and they are mostly 1st and 2nd liners. Players are so good on all assets these days that it's less true that there are only 3rd and 4th liners on the PK.

[LeafsGM]

I was never a fan of giveaways / takeaways because of how giveaways are counted throughout the league.. it's inconsistent, and the best players (who play the most) will always be pretty high in that category.

If we are looking for a replacement stat category, is there a list from Yahoo that we can all examine?

[StarsGM]

Scoring categories in Fantasy Hockey
Yahoo Sports Fantasy Hockey uses the following scoring abbreviations:

Forwards/Defensemen
Abbreviation What It Means
G Goals
A Assists
P Points
+/- Plus/Minus Rating
PIM Penalty Minutes
PPG Powerplay Goals
PPA Powerplay Assists
PPP Powerplay Points
SHG Shorthanded Goals
SHA Shorthanded Assists
SHP Shorthanded Points
GWG Game-Winning Goals
SOG Shots on Goal
SH% Shooting Percentage
FW Faceoffs Won
FL Faceoffs Lost
HIT Hits
BLK Blocks

Goaltenders
Abbreviation What It Means
GS Games Started
W Wins
L Losses
SHO Shutouts
SA Shots Against
SV Saves
GA Goals Against
GAA Goals Against Average
SV% Save Percentage

[ColumbusGM]

I dont see any improvement in the list for the SHP stats. Debate is closed for me!

Haha would have been great to look at this before

[ColumbusGM]

Would like to suggest that next year's "waiver draft" could be held at the same time as the entry draft or any predetermined date because I've just found out that one has occured. I may be the only one who did not notice it, if so that's on me!

[LeafsGM]

Actual league voting on trades. Not discussion behind the scenes that never sees the light of day.

Fair and square , all teams get a vote, minus the 2 involved in the trade.

[ColumbusGM]

I'm agree on that, I propose this:

If a Gm shows shows his discontent with a trade within 24h-48h, the trade will go through a voting process excluding the two gms involved. If the trade receive 7 positives votes, the trade is accepted by the league.

Also, I think we should have the obligation of having our roster updated for the next season before the entry draft begins. At least having the right players in the roster with the good salary. A certain penalty in the draft could be given to encourage gms to do so? Like having our earliest draft pick getting a stepback of 5 ranks...